Tuesday, February 13, 2007
The Poet's Petite Mort?
I couldn't sleep last night--too much excitement going on in my creative life--so I was watching Charlie Rose interview David Mamet, the brilliant playwright. In discussing his work, and (I loved that...) he referred to playwriting as writing poetry, he said something which brought me upright in bed--something so close to what I had just read in Louise Gluck's essays about creative process. I shall have to paraphrase to the best of my (faulty) memory:
Rose had asked Mamet if writing at his apex of success, was difficult. Mamet assured him it was more difficult because you get smarter as you get older. He said "Some have said that while the poet is struggling to finish a poem, he is failing, and after the poem is successfully completed, the poet dies."
Listen to what Gluck says (in "Education of the Poet"):
"That's my sense of the poem's beginning. What follows is a period of more concentrated work, so called because as long as one is working the thing itself is wrong or unfinished: a failure. Still this engagement is absorbing as nothing else I have ever in my life known. And then the poem is finished, and at that moment, instantly detached: it becomes what it was first perceived to be, a thing always in existence. No record exists of the poet's agency. And the poet, from that point, isn't a poet anymore, simply someone who wishes to be one."
And in "The Idea of Courage," she says:
"Critical assault of a finished work is painful in that it affirms present self-contempt. What it cannot do, either for good or ill, is wholly fuse, for the poet, the work and the self; the vulnerability of the poet to critical reception remains complicated by that fact. And the sting the poet may suffer differs from the risks of more immediate exposure: the ostensibly exposed self, the author, is, by the time of publication, out of range, out of existence, in fact.
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Yet poets will come back to a piece, sometimes years later, and revise and re-publish. I think the lifecycle of the poet is more flexible than Mamet or Gluck suggest.
Louise Gluck often comes off as morose-- i.e., her poems evidence a brooding soul etc; but as her critical comments so astutely point out--the point is purely moot, for the reader. One is either moved, or not, by a poem, irrespective of the poet's state of mind-- indeed, of said poet's very existence-- during or after composition.
Gluck is right on the mark, most of the time; and whether I'm feeling morose or not, I still love her work.
Wouldn't it be something, to see some kind of literary collaboration between her and Mamet? That would be breathtaking!
Love this stuff, Beverly. ;)
--D
Gluck is right on the mark, most of the time; and whether I'm feeling morose or not, I still love her work.
Wouldn't it be something, to see some kind of literary collaboration between her and Mamet? That would be breathtaking!
Love this stuff, Beverly. ;)
--D
Echo.
Its lovely to read a blog that makes me THINK.
Ive posted a long diatribe on your post below.
vanessa
Its lovely to read a blog that makes me THINK.
Ive posted a long diatribe on your post below.
vanessa
This made me think. I've had a hint of that on finishing a novel manuscript, a feeling while I wrote it, especially near the end, that I was indeed a novelist. Then a feeling, after finishing, that I'd always be a wannabe, empty, longing, wandering. A feeling I could never do it again, and maybe only imagined I ever had.
yes, odd that feeling. I've had it too. After every creative endeavor, I do wonder if I shall ever do it again.
I'm not much of a blogger, but your blog is informative. I enjoy reading poetry by Louise Gluck. She wrote a poem "Love Poem" that I like, and I have been trying to find an analysis of it to no avail.
If you know of any, please advise.
I am not certain why some Academic poets prefer to exhault themselves. Personally, I prefer poetry that can be understood by average humans. I do not think poetry is only meant for persons who have Doctorates ans MFA degrees. Your information is interesting and informative concerning all of this, but the way Louise Gluck speaks about poetry and the writing of it is, in my mind, unfortunate. I did not have the good fortune to be born so that I could attend expensive Ivy-League schools, or study with famous people, although I naturally very intelligent and well educated.
The approach of some poets is a turn-off for most people who would like to think that poetry is something that may be enjoyed and understood by the masses.
Walter Durk
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If you know of any, please advise.
I am not certain why some Academic poets prefer to exhault themselves. Personally, I prefer poetry that can be understood by average humans. I do not think poetry is only meant for persons who have Doctorates ans MFA degrees. Your information is interesting and informative concerning all of this, but the way Louise Gluck speaks about poetry and the writing of it is, in my mind, unfortunate. I did not have the good fortune to be born so that I could attend expensive Ivy-League schools, or study with famous people, although I naturally very intelligent and well educated.
The approach of some poets is a turn-off for most people who would like to think that poetry is something that may be enjoyed and understood by the masses.
Walter Durk
author131@hotmail.com
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